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| They Like Jesus but Not the Church: Insights from Emerging Generations | 
 enlarge | Author: Dan Kimball
Publisher: Zondervan
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 Know your Audience July 20, 2007
23 out of 37 found this review helpful
I was very disappointed in this book, mostly because I realized too late that I was not Kimball's intended readership. Kimball is clearly writing for an audience older and more conservative than himself, and I am neither. As a member of the 'emerging generations' he claims to support, and as a pastor in a mainline denomination, I found this text insulting.
Kimball's main shortcoming is a failure to take seriously the concerns of the people he's interviewed, labeling their responses 'misperceptions' rather than just perceptions. Had he presented them as the latter, forced his readers to hear them as honest and relevant critique, he could have fostered dialogue about what the church must do to be *less* negatively political, male dominated, homophobic and so on. Instead, he only challenges that we should correct these 'misconceptions' and help people see the a better side of the church, when the true task ahead is to hear the hard truth that we have fallen short in our attempts to embody God's love and that we must examine our own beliefs and the voices of those outside the church as we continue to seek faithfulness as the Body of Christ on earth.
I think this is an important book for some folks to read, folks who will be challenged to hear what those outside the Christian subculture have to say. For those of us already there, however, it is a disappointing retrogression into old debates and a failure to accept that sometimes those on the outside see us better than we see ourselves. To use one of the book's chapter topics, if everyone around us thinks the church is homophobic, maybe the answer isn't that we try to convince them that we're 'a supportive community' and thus *appear* less homophobic; maybe the answer is that we take a good long look at ourselves and ask how we might *become* less homophobic.
 Excellent for pastors concerned with the emerging generations July 4, 2007
2 out of 7 found this review helpful
Take notes, communicate it with your congregations, and start reaching out with Dan Kimball's ideas in mind.
 Some good ideas, though a bit judgmental of some Christians July 3, 2007
74 out of 102 found this review helpful
The title of my review probably got some of you to read what I'm going to say here, but hear me out. First of all, yes, I read the whole book, and I appreciate many of the things Kimball had to say. He made me think, and I believe the Evangelical Christian church can learn from the emerging church movement. I especially appreciate the zeal that the astute Kimball has to reach the lost. He has a great ministry in the coffee houses of his area as he builds relationships while sharing the Christian faith. As time passes, things change, and we Christians need to be willing to not remain status quo, to "be all things to all people" and culturally not drive people away from the gospel based on an unbiblical stubbornness. This is exactly what scholar D.A. Carson says in his book on the emerging church, titled "Becoming Conversant with the Emerging Church." (I highly recommend it.)
"They Like Jesus" is helpful in showing Christians that we need to be aware of the culture around us and make sure we're not offending just for the sake of arrogance. We must understand that there are many people who will never set foot into a church building; unless we go out to them, how else can they ever understand and know the gospel? Kimball does a good job here and has given the pastor/reader some things to consider. I appreciate his fresh perspective.
Where he does become judgmental, however, is painting straw man figures of those who don't do evangelism the way he apparently deems proper. (Note: We must remember that, in good Postmodern thinking, "perception" is everything, as Kimball's entire book is built on the perception of the emerging generation whom he meets in the coffee houses. Thus, what I am about to relate is my perception, whether I am accurate or not to the real intent/meaning of the author. Fair enough.) The reader is thus left with a caricature that, while maybe true in some or--for the sake of argument--even many cases, is nothing more than a mere generalization. The idea conveyed is, unless you do it Kimball's way, it isn't the right way. And this is where I think this book falls short.
For instance, on page 99, he writes: "This unflattering perception of the church and Christians comes from seeing Christians protesting on the streets with large signs telling people they are going to hell." Later, on page 167, he writes, "There seem to be plenty of Christians who will hand out a tract or hold a street sign saying 'Jesus is the only way,' but not many who build friendships and trust with people about what that means." Then, on page 238, he writes that those who are approached on the street "will only get an impersonal tract that focuses on hell or see a street evangelist who many times ends up making things worse."
From these images, Kimball makes it appear that any type of signage used in witnessing is "protesting." Street evangelism is apparently discouraged, regardless of what method is chosen. Just because these methods may not be to Kimball's liking does not mean they are "protesting." (I think of "Hell no, we won't go" and other silly protest slogans when this word is used.) Yet, in the right place and time, I have seen many instances when street evangelism and signs work, whether with "Million-Dollar Bills" or messages on placards that are produced in creative love. In fact, Kimball--whether he intends to or not--gives the appearance that the only correct method to do evangelism is through the building of "relationships." Of course, building relationships ("friendship evangelism," we called it in the 1970s) is obviously going to bear the most fruit. Nothing can beat time invested into people's lives. But it's only one type of evangelism. Can't/shouldn't we take the Great Commission to the streets and approach strangers as well? Isn't there a way to build relationships in the context of a three-hour airline flight or stopping someone sitting in the park and bringing up spiritual issues? Of course, I am a firm believer that any sharing must be done in gentleness and respect, but what I took from Kimball is that these methods apparently don't work with today's generation. Is this the message he intended to convey? I'm not sure, but that's the meaning I took in my reading.
Another bothersome thing for me is found on page 102. Kimball tells the story of how he was offended at a new believer's Bible that he wanted to give away because it included commentary notes he considered judgmental. He tells the story of trying to tear out pages from this Bible that he felt was offensive until he realized he was going to have to tear out too many pages. What did he consider offensive? Well, the initial page he wanted to tear out had a note saying that Christians shouldn't have sex before marriage, in reference to 1 Cor. 6-7. But the new convert he wanted to give the Bible to was living with his girlfriend. So, in order not to offend him, Kimball finally decided to not tear out pages and instead get another Bible to give away. He didn't want the new believer to become offended at the note. I was puzzled by his consternation. Just what exactly does 1 Cor 6-7 intend to say to the audience? Was the note in the Bible incorrect?
He explained that a new convert might think the commentary notes should be considered scripture, But would someone really be so naive to think that? If so, wouldn't it have been easy enough to have quickly explained to the new convert that the Bible had notes in it but not to consider these "scripture"? I'm not sure I understood the full reason for his apprehension to these notes, and it made me wonder what things he might hide from those to whom he was speaking at the coffeehouse. Would he hide some truth of Christianity merely to convert them? Of course, I'm not saying the Christian needed to immediately open up to 1 Cor. 6 right after the moment of conversion and say, "Now, be a good Christian and don't live with your girlfriend any longer!" That would obviously be silly and not very wise.
But isn't the idea of sex before marriage going to become an issue somewhere along the line? And I really doubt that the new believer would have gone home that night and immediately opened up to 1 Cor. 6. What were the odds? So, I just think that the very idea of ripping out pages from a study Bible was troublesome to me. And, while I understood that he is against sin, his chapter on homosexuality made me wonder what he would say to someone who approached him in the coffeehouse and asked about this issue. Would he tell them this is wrong (something he says he does believe)? Or would he steer around the issue so as not to offend? I'm not sure hiding the truth is something commissioned in scripture either. We must be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. Hiding the truth might be considered wise but not innocent. Honestly, I'm not sure how he might handle himself in this situation.
Finally, Kimball seems to hold a negative stereotype of Calvinists. For instance, on page 240, he writes, "If the arrow of someone's gospel presentation doesn't hit the target, then the person is dismissed as nonelect." This wasn't the only place where he bashed on Calvinism, whether overtly or not, but I think he has made another unfair stereotype, this time with those who stress the sovereignty of God and whom he made to appear as generally arrogant people. Just as Kimball wants to protect the image of Christianity, I think he needs to be careful to carelessly dissing his brothers in Christ merely because he disagrees with him. We can disagree in love and save the potshots.
In conclusion, I really wish my Christian brother would have stuck with presenting his methodology without being so judgmental. Jesus himself had something to say when the disciples were up-in-arms about others who were casting out demons. If they're not against us, they're for us, he said. Before I leave this review, I want to reiterate that there are good things to take away from this book, and I think discerning pastors ought to consider reading it, whether or not they agree with the emerging church. Yes, I do have reservations, but I need to get down to the coffeehouse...it's time for a tea.
Listen up, Church! June 17, 2007
4 out of 5 found this review helpful
Dan Kimball's book is a call to repentance for the church. Many of us who are members of "the Church" are guilty of creating a sub-culture that is not a true reflection of the Biblical Jesus. They Like Jesus but Not the Church exposes how this "Christian bubble" detracts from the true message of the gospel. Dan Kimball is a man of his word who writes from his heart. You will not be disappointed in reading this book - though you may be uncomfortable at times.
If you are in the church and are concerned about the criticisms against the church in America, this book is a must read. If you are in the church and not concerned about the criticisms against the church in America, perhaps you are part of the problem. And yes, there is a problem. They Like Jesus but not the Church answers the questions many church leaders have been asking as to why emerging generations are not interested in being a part of the church.
Dan's missional heart beats loud and clear in every chapter - it's not about proving who's right or who's wrong, it's about loving people and choosing to show Jesus to the world. Dan lives a life engaged in the culture, yet immersed in God; open to new ideas, yet committed to God's truth; Dan is truly an example of being in the world, but not of the world.
They Like Jesus but Not the Church is a wake up call for all of us who want to make a difference in our world today. I hope you will read this book and choose to be a part of the church that will change the negative perceptions about the body of Christ. If you are not part of the church, stay tuned for Dan's next book I Like Jesus but Not the Church: Following Jesus Without Following Organized Religion
Must read for church leaders May 14, 2007
2 out of 4 found this review helpful
This is a very important book in the ongoing discussion of how to reach emerging generations. Dan has some very important observations about the perceptions of the modern church among emerging generations. He asks questions that we need to be asking and thinking about. I highly recommend this book for anyone who is trying to understand emerging generations and/or the need for new models of ministry.
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